Approaching a venue and Ausify your Music with Leah Henry (Nighthawks Bar)
Welcome to the AU-NZ Music Podcast, where Reuben (GYMjot) dives into the Australian and New Zealand music scene with industry guests, sharing insights on music news, standout tracks, and artist development.
Episode 11 features Leah Henry, who co-owns Melbourne's Nighthawks Live Music Venue. With over a decade experience in the industry, we get some key insights into the live music scene.
- 📰 News Fix: Music Australia Encourages Nation To 'Ausify' Your Algorithm Via Bureau Of Everything
- 🎶 Song Spotlight: Dunners Boy - April Baby
- 🦾 Artist Development: How to navigate the live music scene and book a gig.
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# Approaching a venue and Ausify your Music with Leah Henry (Nighthawks Bar)
# https://www.youtube.com/watch/n95g-waSm9Q
00:00:00.480 Hello everyone. Here we are for episode
00:00:02.800 11 of the AU NZ music podcast. Welcome
00:00:07.600 back.
00:00:10.480 [music]
00:00:20.305 [music]
00:00:25.039 Today we are with Leah Henry who is the
00:00:27.599 co-owner of Nighthawks live music venue.
00:00:30.880 How you doing today, Leah?
00:00:32.960 >> Yeah, good, thanks. Good to see you.
00:00:34.719 >> Nice. Yeah, likewise. Likewise. Me and
00:00:37.200 Leah have been interacting over the past
00:00:39.280 year as I've been running an open mic
00:00:41.840 night at Nighthawks called the listening
00:00:44.079 room which we've been doing monthly and
00:00:45.840 that's been really smooth with Leah and
00:00:48.480 Nighthawks. Um, let me tell you a little
00:00:50.800 bit about Leah. Uh she was born in
00:00:52.640 Melbourne and found herself in
00:00:54.320 hospitality scene from the age of 14.
00:00:57.920 That long journey has led Leah to
00:00:59.680 becoming the co-owner of Collingwood's
00:01:01.920 very own night hooks. As I said, for the
00:01:04.479 last decade, having traveled the world,
00:01:07.119 Leah and her co-owner Marcus captured
00:01:10.240 the essence of American dive bars and
00:01:12.640 Japanese drinking culture, all while
00:01:15.040 providing top quality live music in
00:01:17.200 their band room upstairs. Leah's
00:01:20.159 commitment to housing bands and
00:01:22.000 supporting the live music scene during a
00:01:24.000 time when it is not easy for bands and
00:01:26.640 bars alike to pull a sustainable profit
00:01:29.200 from such is undeniable. And it's places
00:01:32.720 like Nighthawks that give artists a
00:01:35.119 platform to evolve and explore their
00:01:37.759 artistry. So, we're really honored to
00:01:40.159 have you here today, Leah. Thanks for
00:01:43.280 joining us. And we'd like to ask our
00:01:45.439 guests for a silly fun fact unrelated to
00:01:48.479 music. just to kick things off, get the
00:01:50.479 ball rolling. You got anything juicy for
00:01:53.200 us? Share. Uh, don't know how juicy it
00:01:56.320 is, but I feel like the sort of funniest
00:01:59.280 memory that I like to share with people,
00:02:01.520 which I feel like kind of set the tone
00:02:04.079 for my personality a bit, was that when
00:02:06.320 I was in primary school, so like five or
00:02:09.679 6 years old, I told I went to a really
00:02:12.319 small country primary school,
00:02:14.276 [clears throat] and I told everyone in
00:02:16.000 school that from this day on, I wanted
00:02:18.800 to be known as Scorpion.
00:02:20.959 And uh, and that that was what I wanted
00:02:23.040 my name to be. But unfortunately, it
00:02:25.840 never stuck. So, [laughter]
00:02:28.879 >> that's even better. Nicknames normally
00:02:31.360 happen the other way around. They
00:02:32.800 normally happen when you don't want them
00:02:34.560 to stick and then they happen. I'm
00:02:36.480 surprised the kids didn't shape that
00:02:38.080 into something with a bit more malice.
00:02:40.560 >> I know. I know. But yeah,
00:02:42.800 >> I reckon you've dodged a bullet there,
00:02:44.239 actually. [laughter]
00:02:46.319 >> Yeah. I don't know. Could Could work,
00:02:48.160 could not. Don't know.
00:02:49.120 >> We can always bring it back, Scorpion,
00:02:50.640 if you like.
00:02:52.080 >> If you like. Yeah. [laughter]
00:02:54.720 Cool. No, that's a good one. I like
00:02:56.400 that. Um, let's move on to the news
00:02:59.120 digest for the week. This one is
00:03:01.360 entitled, "Music Australia encourages
00:03:04.400 nation to oify your algorithm via Buru
00:03:07.840 of everything from bandit.com
00:03:11.280 on November 3rd. We're recording here on
00:03:14.000 the 8th of December." So, this
00:03:16.560 initiative started about a month ago.
00:03:19.040 Um, but it was fronted by Thalma Plum,
00:03:22.959 Kelly Holidayiday, and a host of
00:03:24.400 established and upandcoming artists.
00:03:27.360 Oify your algo is an entertaining ride
00:03:29.840 through the A to Z's of Aussie music
00:03:32.239 with the call to all to search, listen,
00:03:35.519 and defy. The hashtag ozifi campaign
00:03:39.120 devised by the bureau of everything was
00:03:42.080 collaborating part with collaborating
00:03:43.920 partners versus love media and thinking
00:03:46.640 loud was designed to change how the
00:03:49.120 public engages with Australian music
00:03:51.519 calling on Australians to more actively
00:03:53.599 support homegrown music. To make it easy
00:03:57.360 for Aussies to get started, the #ifi
00:03:59.920 website features a step-by-step guide of
00:04:02.400 ways you can oify your algorithm along
00:04:05.200 with links to oified playlist to listen
00:04:07.439 to, plus a live unique generator
00:04:09.760 designed by ED Studios and powered by
00:04:12.959 Disco. Serving up a constant stream of
00:04:16.000 great Australian music recommendations
00:04:18.000 to discover and enjoy. You can explore
00:04:20.798 it now at oifi.com.auu.
00:04:25.360 It launched in tandem with Oz Music
00:04:27.440 Month, that's November. And Millie
00:04:30.000 Milgate, director of Music Australia,
00:04:32.080 had this to say. Australian artist can
00:04:34.639 be overshadowed by global content.
00:04:37.040 Although together we can help all that
00:04:39.199 change. Every local artist you seek out,
00:04:42.479 play, follow, save, share, request, and
00:04:45.440 see live helps our musicians rise. By
00:04:49.199 choosing Australian music, we can shift
00:04:51.600 our algorithms, support our artists, and
00:04:54.800 help our local scene thrive. So, a
00:04:58.400 couple of questions, Leah. As a live
00:05:00.880 music man venue manager that primarily
00:05:03.600 hosts Australian music, I imagine you
00:05:05.520 are on board with such an initiative
00:05:07.360 initiative and live music performance
00:05:09.759 opportunities are key stepping stones in
00:05:11.919 artists developing a local presence. So
00:05:14.639 with that inside knowledge and years of
00:05:16.479 experience in the scene, what is your
00:05:18.880 feel about artists playing live
00:05:21.120 nowadays? Is live music from Australians
00:05:23.600 thriving?
00:05:26.560 >> Um
00:05:28.400 I mean it's abundant. I don't know if
00:05:30.880 it's thriving, but it also depends on
00:05:33.440 what thriving looks like to people. Um,
00:05:37.680 yeah. I mean, I was really deeply
00:05:40.479 involved with the Australian music scene
00:05:42.880 in the 90s, and I think anyone who was
00:05:46.160 around at that time would say that
00:05:48.400 that's when Australian music really
00:05:50.240 started to thrive because I think there
00:05:53.680 was whole festivals that only had
00:05:56.880 Australian lineups. um obviously just
00:05:59.840 like weekly gigs that yeah international
00:06:03.360 bands weren't a necessity to pull big
00:06:06.560 groups of people to see shows or to
00:06:08.639 festivals. So
00:06:11.600 comparing what's happening now to what
00:06:13.680 was happening in the '90s, it doesn't
00:06:16.240 look like Australian music is thriving.
00:06:18.960 But [clears throat] at the same time,
00:06:21.120 you know, it's maybe we just need to
00:06:23.520 sort of shift the goalposts a little bit
00:06:26.240 and see it as being a bit more localized
00:06:30.639 or not as big as it used to be. So to
00:06:34.400 >> Yeah. Yeah, I feel you. It is also just,
00:06:37.600 you know, different two completely
00:06:39.680 different cultural time periods, aren't
00:06:41.440 they? The '9s compared to the 2020s.
00:06:44.639 There's a lot more um sources of
00:06:46.960 distraction nowadays, should we say?
00:06:49.280 >> Yeah.
00:06:49.600 >> Um what do you what do you think are
00:06:51.280 some of those hurdles or where do you
00:06:53.520 think the goalposts need to shift to
00:06:55.600 help Australian music maybe rediscover
00:06:59.120 that '90s thriving component?
00:07:03.199 >> Yeah. I mean, I think that would have to
00:07:04.880 be a major like public shift in what
00:07:08.639 they're interested in cuz you know,
00:07:10.800 we're still and also what is being
00:07:13.840 supported by government initiatives. So
00:07:16.880 things like the Oathifi initiative is
00:07:19.680 really positive to see that it is really
00:07:21.919 focusing on Australian music and local
00:07:24.479 bands and getting people connected to
00:07:26.960 what's happening, you know, in Australia
00:07:29.759 or within each capital city. Uh, I think
00:07:33.840 you'd require like a huge public shift
00:07:37.120 in what people see as major
00:07:40.160 entertainment. Um, you know, you still
00:07:42.960 see that all of the big stadium gigs are
00:07:45.680 the most attended shows. Uh, and then
00:07:48.720 you have situations where like Amble and
00:07:51.120 the Snippers play Fed Square and the
00:07:53.840 show gets cancelled. So I think we need
00:07:57.360 to sort of yeah shift into a situation
00:07:59.840 where the public is obviously
00:08:02.800 interested. You know we can see that
00:08:05.440 they wanted to go to shows like the free
00:08:07.680 animal show in the city but then the
00:08:10.560 government and everyone who's sort of
00:08:11.919 organizing all of that needs to come
00:08:15.039 together and organize themselves better
00:08:17.520 to you know prop that up. [snorts]
00:08:20.560 >> Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. I think it's
00:08:23.120 also just um
00:08:26.000 the nature if we're comparing the '90s
00:08:28.319 to now in terms of music consumption
00:08:31.280 um the nature of streaming and access
00:08:33.919 accessibility to music in general is so
00:08:36.719 much more prevalent that we can touch
00:08:39.440 all corners of the globe and even so it
00:08:42.479 still feels like
00:08:44.959 while our tastes might might be more
00:08:47.440 exposed to Australian music it feels
00:08:49.680 like we still get smacked in the with
00:08:52.480 the global content. And that's why I
00:08:56.720 like this Oifi initiative in that
00:08:59.600 >> they're talking about like reshaping
00:09:01.519 your algorithm cuz you really can see
00:09:03.519 your algorithm
00:09:06.320 like being automatically influenced by
00:09:09.120 the content you consume. It's harder to
00:09:11.680 see on Spotify, but when you're on like
00:09:14.160 social media and you scroll your reels
00:09:15.839 and if you like one of those reels, that
00:09:18.080 is just like a token of I that's me
00:09:20.640 saying I want to see more of that. It's
00:09:22.399 not a like button anymore. It's a I want
00:09:24.640 more button
00:09:26.160 >> now.
00:09:29.519 But maybe back in the '90s there was
00:09:33.360 less accessibility to the music and so
00:09:36.480 what was available on the scene was what
00:09:38.240 they got, you know, and so they were
00:09:40.320 there to to take it.
00:09:43.040 >> Yeah. To consume it. Yeah, for sure.
00:09:45.040 >> Yeah. That that that's tricky though. I
00:09:50.160 what else do you think could be done by
00:09:51.760 live music venues
00:09:54.320 to help oify our algorithms or oify our
00:09:58.720 lives in terms of live music?
00:10:01.839 I mean, oifying life, that's what all
00:10:06.720 local venues are doing already. Like,
00:10:09.600 you know, all all local venues are
00:10:12.000 putting on Australian content up to 100%
00:10:15.839 every day of the week or every week. So
00:10:19.200 I don't think venues
00:10:21.200 can do that much more in a sense you
00:10:23.600 know or they you know they can or they
00:10:25.680 could get involved more on socials but I
00:10:28.800 think definitely in regards to like
00:10:31.760 >> are local venues putting on local music.
00:10:35.200 Yes they are. They're generally not
00:10:37.360 putting on that much else. I think
00:10:39.360 >> that's right. Yeah. No you're totally
00:10:41.120 right. They've been the catalyst of
00:10:43.440 oifying music really haven't they? You
00:10:46.800 you alluded to stadium shows would you
00:10:49.680 say that those bigger scale venues
00:10:53.920 >> are are they thriving at the moment
00:10:57.120 those sort of shows those stadium shows?
00:11:00.399 >> I think so. I think attendance to those
00:11:03.040 shows is is pretty high and also
00:11:06.720 >> coming pretty thick and fast. I mean you
00:11:08.880 had Oasis and AC/DC
00:11:11.600 >> Yeah.
00:11:12.240 >> playing one week after the other, you
00:11:14.160 know. Um
00:11:14.880 >> Yeah. and Metallica the week before
00:11:16.480 that. This is crazy.
00:11:17.839 >> Metallica and then Kendrick Lamar was
00:11:20.480 just last week
00:11:21.360 >> and Lady Gaga sort of like
00:11:23.519 >> Yeah, it's just kind of it's endless.
00:11:25.839 And I'm assuming I don't know, I'm not
00:11:27.680 seeing the data, but I know that you
00:11:29.440 know obviously like Metallica, Oasis,
00:11:31.440 AC/DC, they were all multiple sold out
00:11:34.000 stadium shows. So, you're talking about
00:11:36.880 >> hundreds of thousands of people, not
00:11:38.800 just even tens of thousands.
00:11:41.040 >> Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.
00:11:43.920 Well, I wonder who was the last I wonder
00:11:45.760 who was the last well AC/DC I guess is
00:11:49.600 but who what other Australian acts are
00:11:51.519 getting the opportunity to play those
00:11:53.519 larger scale venues? There's a handful I
00:11:56.560 guess.
00:11:58.240 Yeah, I can't think of anything postco
00:12:02.800 really apart from bands supporting like
00:12:06.399 they always have Australian Well, they
00:12:08.399 don't always have but they often have
00:12:09.920 Australian supports
00:12:11.839 >> but as the main event
00:12:14.160 >> I can't think of anything off the top of
00:12:16.000 my head really.
00:12:17.360 >> True. True.
00:12:19.920 Um, well, what else do you think people
00:12:22.720 can do to help support local musics?
00:12:26.880 Just make them stay relevant in the
00:12:28.880 saturated marketplace.
00:12:31.760 >> I think just attending shows, I mean, I
00:12:34.959 think that's the most important thing
00:12:36.320 you can do. You're helping such a uh
00:12:40.160 grassroots economy um just from on every
00:12:44.399 level basically. Uh, but then also,
00:12:48.399 yeah, I guess getting involved online if
00:12:50.320 that's how you choose, you know, to
00:12:52.000 consume your music. But just download
00:12:55.279 more Australian music, purchasing music
00:12:58.399 also is really important, which I don't
00:13:00.639 know whether people really do that
00:13:02.160 anymore.
00:13:03.279 >> Yeah, that's true. Merchandise, I guess.
00:13:06.480 >> Yeah, merch as well definitely helps.
00:13:08.320 But just just showing up, just going to
00:13:11.360 see music and going to see stuff that
00:13:15.440 you know isn't your favorite thing,
00:13:17.920 something that maybe isn't so much on
00:13:20.399 your radar or a band you literally just
00:13:23.040 don't know, you've never seen them
00:13:24.320 before or heard of them. I think that's
00:13:26.480 sort of really fallen away postco
00:13:29.040 especially. Uh, I think people sort of
00:13:31.519 just want to consume the things they
00:13:33.600 know they're going to enjoy, which is,
00:13:36.240 you know, not thinking outside the box
00:13:38.560 very much. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I
00:13:41.839 think the value of a a different or an
00:13:45.200 unexpected experience has almost
00:13:48.079 diminished, hasn't it? It's people want
00:13:50.000 guaranteed experiences.
00:13:52.560 >> Yeah, that's and that's where the
00:13:54.240 stadium thing comes in. I think it's so
00:13:56.639 curated and you like you it's a it's
00:14:01.360 >> I liken it to sort of like reading a
00:14:03.600 menu before going to a restaurant and
00:14:05.760 knowing exactly what you're going to
00:14:07.279 get. Going to those stadium shows, you
00:14:10.000 you've seen the videos, you've seen
00:14:12.079 everything, you've heard the songs, you
00:14:14.399 know exactly what you're going to get.
00:14:16.399 And people are doing that because it's
00:14:18.639 it's comforting.
00:14:20.240 >> Yeah. People would even check the set
00:14:21.760 lists
00:14:23.199 >> for sure. you know, are they going to
00:14:25.040 play?
00:14:27.040 >> Yeah. Yeah. Or or when will that song
00:14:29.600 come, you know, within the actual
00:14:31.680 concert? Yeah. It's Yeah. So, the
00:14:34.079 unknown, the unpredictable,
00:14:36.880 the new discovery seems to be falling
00:14:39.680 away, which is a bit sad, I think.
00:14:43.120 >> Yeah. And and even trying to like put it
00:14:46.880 on the menu of those big shows by having
00:14:48.800 an opening act, lots of people just miss
00:14:51.680 that opening act anyway. For sure. Yeah.
00:14:54.720 Yeah. And same as as putting, you know,
00:14:57.519 I think it's an initiative to always
00:14:59.519 have an Australian supporter on those
00:15:01.199 really big stadium shows. Most people
00:15:02.959 just don't show up until the main event
00:15:05.279 anyway.
00:15:06.240 >> So, I mean, we are finding that at
00:15:08.000 Nightalks as well. We as a venue
00:15:10.959 actually don't release set times as a
00:15:13.920 public information. uh we don't tell the
00:15:17.199 bands that they can't but as the venue
00:15:19.360 we don't because we'd rather people just
00:15:21.680 show up for the start of the show.
00:15:24.000 >> Yeah.
00:15:24.320 >> And often as well we'll have bands that
00:15:27.600 are the ones who have organized the show
00:15:29.279 and would be perceived as the headliner.
00:15:31.440 They actually don't end up playing last.
00:15:34.079 So with the idea that people just come
00:15:36.160 to the show and stick around and see all
00:15:38.240 the bands.
00:15:39.440 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes,
00:15:40.880 >> I did a recent sort of idea at um the
00:15:45.680 listening room acoustic sessions which I
00:15:47.440 host at a yoga studio and
00:15:50.800 >> so I hand selected five artists but I
00:15:54.000 don't release the order of those
00:15:55.519 artists. I um get the audience members
00:15:58.079 to draw it out the hat on the night.
00:16:00.240 >> Yeah. Cool. So, you got to be there to
00:16:01.920 try and catch your artist if you're
00:16:04.000 there for that specific person, but in
00:16:06.639 hopes that everyone once they're in the
00:16:08.160 environment, they're more likely to stay
00:16:09.920 there, right?
00:16:11.440 >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And and discover
00:16:13.920 something, see a band they've not seen
00:16:15.920 before cuz they're not there for those
00:16:18.000 bands or those artists specifically.
00:16:20.240 >> And those are the most delicious moments
00:16:22.000 when you do stumble upon something
00:16:24.160 that's different and moves you. It's
00:16:27.279 like, "Wow,
00:16:27.839 >> yeah, for sure.
00:16:28.800 >> I found something.
00:16:30.800 Yeah. Yeah. Like it happens for me all
00:16:33.360 the time at Michaels, you know, because
00:16:34.959 obviously there's, you know, up to 15 20
00:16:37.759 bands playing a week and when there is a
00:16:39.839 band that I've haven't seen and I go
00:16:42.800 upstairs and check it out for a bit and
00:16:45.519 then I've discovered a great new band
00:16:47.920 and then that starts a sort of new
00:16:49.600 relationship where we will ask that band
00:16:51.920 to come back to organize their own show
00:16:54.399 and you know it just kind of like
00:16:56.399 progresses the whole setup. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:00.320 You've got it on tap. I see what you're
00:17:02.320 doing.
00:17:02.720 >> Yeah. [laughter]
00:17:04.640 Lit literally. Yes.
00:17:06.000 >> Yeah. It's not the only thing on tap.
00:17:08.640 >> Nice.
00:17:09.760 >> Well, speaking of local music, every
00:17:12.559 episode we feature a recent release from
00:17:14.959 a New Zealand or Australian artist. Uh
00:17:17.760 this week we've got a New Zealand
00:17:18.959 artist, a song called Dunners Boy from
00:17:22.000 April 33 in his debut album. [music]
00:17:25.520 Uh we're going to have a listen to that
00:17:27.039 now and come back and chat a little bit
00:17:29.120 about it [music] and then we'll move
00:17:30.720 into some discussions around artist
00:17:32.720 development. So stick around, you're in
00:17:34.880 the space now. Catch you soon. [music]
00:17:38.480 They get me the last one
00:17:42.880 in between the clouds with [music]
00:17:45.679 the sun on the bus.
00:17:51.120 And I [music]
00:17:54.799 I'm learning how to feel it [music]
00:17:58.960 before it up and leaves with the heavens
00:18:02.880 that I can hold. [music]
00:18:07.520 I said
00:18:10.160 tell me [music] I'm far away
00:18:17.137 [music]
00:18:18.240 to make it under this ground.
00:18:24.342 [music]
00:18:28.927 [music]
00:18:36.787 [music] And we are back.
00:18:40.240 That song was Donna's boy by [music]
00:18:42.880 April Baby from his debut album 33.
00:18:48.160 Man, we chilling. We are chilling on
00:18:50.400 that one. What immediately grabbed your
00:18:52.960 ears, Leah.
00:18:54.240 >> Uh definitely very summery vibes. Uh
00:18:58.000 yeah, feel like it's a a full sort of
00:19:00.480 summer tune. Um, but also just has like
00:19:05.039 strong Kiwi energy for me. I feel like
00:19:08.000 before even looking up, you know, where
00:19:10.640 the artists was from, I could tell that
00:19:12.640 that Yeah. had strong New Zealand energy
00:19:15.280 going on.
00:19:16.080 >> Yeah. Yeah. Donna's boy, Denedan boy as
00:19:18.799 it is. I know he recorded a lot of this
00:19:20.880 um in Fiji as well. So for me it had a
00:19:24.640 lot of island energy. Island chill
00:19:27.039 energy.
00:19:27.760 >> Yeah. Thought the vocals was really
00:19:29.760 interesting in that it almost feels like
00:19:32.559 he turned down the entire
00:19:36.400 >> main feed of the vocals and that we're
00:19:38.720 just hearing like the reverb. The vocals
00:19:40.960 were living in an atmosphere like they
00:19:42.799 were so like spacey the whole time.
00:19:46.400 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:47.200 >> I think that contributed to some of that
00:19:49.840 chill essence that he was trying to
00:19:52.080 capture and then
00:19:53.440 >> sort of just bobbed along.
00:19:55.760 >> Um
00:19:56.480 >> Mhm.
00:19:57.440 >> Yeah. What sort of genre do we call that
00:19:59.679 music, do you reckon?
00:20:02.480 >> I don't know. I mean, it's definitely
00:20:04.720 pop. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's
00:20:06.960 definitely a pop tune, but yeah, it's
00:20:09.440 definitely got like
00:20:11.039 >> island vibes, you know, could be
00:20:14.400 >> uh like Caribbean kind of vibes, but
00:20:17.840 makes sense that like when you find out
00:20:19.840 that he spent time in Fiji as well. So,
00:20:22.400 >> yeah,
00:20:22.720 >> I find it really hard
00:20:24.480 >> to put music in genres now. I agree. I
00:20:28.080 agree. Me, too. It's There's so many
00:20:30.320 subg genres and it feels like you can
00:20:31.760 just put a word in front of a genre and
00:20:33.679 that's it.
00:20:34.640 >> Someone was telling me their top genre
00:20:37.600 uh for their Spotify rap was art pop and
00:20:41.200 I was like, the [ __ ] is art pop?
00:20:46.480 >> Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Yeah. People are
00:20:48.320 just meshing words together and that
00:20:50.159 creates some music.
00:20:51.440 >> Yeah. Chill pop, right? Clearly clearly
00:20:53.760 a chill pop song.
00:20:55.200 >> Yeah. No, it's really cool. Um, and the
00:20:58.960 whole album has that same sort of
00:21:01.440 essence. I highly recommend checking it
00:21:03.280 out if that's what you're looking for.
00:21:04.720 And it is just in time for summer, like
00:21:06.960 you say. Nice one to sit around and have
00:21:08.799 a have a lazy beer in the sunshine, I
00:21:11.360 reckon. Maybe some feet in the paddling
00:21:13.200 pool. Get it going. April, baby.
00:21:15.280 >> Yeah, for sure.
00:21:16.720 >> Yeah. Cool.
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00:22:11.600 consultation. And that brings us to our
00:22:14.080 artist development chitchat. Leah, now
00:22:18.720 having worked in the live music sector,
00:22:20.799 I thought we could maybe lean a bit more
00:22:23.120 into some insights you have for artists
00:22:26.799 to navigate that space and in particular
00:22:29.280 landing like their first gig or
00:22:31.280 something like that. Like what's what
00:22:33.200 would you say to an artist who's trying
00:22:35.360 to enter the live music scene here in
00:22:38.640 Melbourne?
00:22:41.520 Uh I think pick a venue that is going to
00:22:45.679 be um open, honest, communicative and
00:22:49.280 helpful. And a lot of feedback I get
00:22:53.039 from bands who play at Nighthawks where
00:22:55.600 it was their first or you know only
00:22:58.400 they've played a few shows is that
00:23:00.640 unfortunately a lot of venues aren't. I
00:23:04.640 specifically either don't have time or
00:23:07.280 just don't have the interest to uh help
00:23:11.200 and guide bands and artists who have
00:23:14.480 never done it before to organize and do
00:23:17.280 a show. Um which in itself is
00:23:21.120 disappointing but also understandable
00:23:23.200 for other venues. Um, yeah, I really
00:23:26.640 pride myself on not being like that and
00:23:31.919 being open to any amount of questions
00:23:34.480 that people have. Um, but also we have
00:23:37.679 like a really easy and concise document
00:23:41.360 that we call our venue info pack that we
00:23:43.840 send to bands. So they can list 10, 15
00:23:47.760 questions that they might have and I
00:23:49.760 just send them through this info and
00:23:52.400 pretty much every one of their questions
00:23:54.080 will be answered in a really concise
00:23:56.400 manner. So yeah, I feel like other
00:23:58.720 venues could do that. It's pretty pretty
00:24:00.720 easy, you know, and we obviously send
00:24:03.120 that document out, you know, up to 15
00:24:05.840 times a week. Um, but I understand also
00:24:09.919 that other venues are sort of not
00:24:11.520 looking for first time live performance
00:24:15.120 bands or artists. They're looking for
00:24:17.200 people that have, you know, their foot
00:24:19.440 in the door a little bit more. So, yeah,
00:24:22.400 I'd just say to artists or bands, pick
00:24:25.360 your pick a venue, you know, and try
00:24:27.679 your luck, basically.
00:24:29.120 >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you find, just a little
00:24:31.440 side note, do you find bands that play
00:24:34.320 their first show with you often
00:24:38.640 pull like a crowd of friends to the
00:24:41.520 venue?
00:24:42.559 >> Mhm.
00:24:43.200 >> Yeah.
00:24:43.600 >> Yeah.
00:24:44.400 >> I would imagine it's reasonably reli
00:24:46.400 like reliable for them to bring, you
00:24:49.360 know, a good pack of friends. First show
00:24:52.240 >> for sure.
00:24:52.720 >> Yeah.
00:24:52.960 >> They're normally pretty nervous. They
00:24:54.400 like to get everyone on board. But it's
00:24:55.840 normally like that third or fourth show
00:24:58.240 where friends slowly start to
00:25:02.480 to stop coming.
00:25:03.600 >> I mean, you can't expect your your whole
00:25:05.200 fan base to be your friends.
00:25:07.039 >> Um h how would you how would you go
00:25:11.200 about choosing a venue? Cuz there's so
00:25:14.559 many venues that offer live music. How
00:25:17.440 would an artist know where to start?
00:25:21.520 I mean, I think a familiarity with that
00:25:24.880 venue, you know, you've been to see
00:25:26.559 shows at that venue before. Um,
00:25:30.640 genre specific, you know, like we aren't
00:25:34.080 a genre specific venue, but you've got
00:25:36.159 venues, you know, I mean, even like
00:25:38.320 places like the tote are opening
00:25:40.159 themselves up to different genres a lot
00:25:42.000 more than ever before. I think you're
00:25:44.240 seeing all Melbourne venues opening
00:25:46.799 themselves up and not sort of sticking
00:25:48.640 to being genre specific. Um, but yeah,
00:25:52.799 five, the room, the size of the room,
00:25:56.159 you know, you've you've got to sort of
00:25:58.000 start somewhere and decide a place
00:26:00.320 that's going to suit you. And also
00:26:02.240 feasibility, you know, like hitting up
00:26:04.960 somewhere like the corner hotel for your
00:26:07.679 first ever show, you know, 700 800 cap
00:26:10.960 band room, you're probably going to be
00:26:13.520 ignored, you know, so um yeah, work
00:26:17.279 within your expectations.
00:26:19.760 >> It's a really good point noticing uh the
00:26:22.080 size of the room. Realistically, you're
00:26:24.720 probably looking for a venue that's
00:26:26.720 between 50 to 100 cap sort of thing.
00:26:30.799 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:32.720 >> Um that's going to feel good. You know,
00:26:35.600 even if you half fill it, it'll feel
00:26:37.600 nice. Yeah.
00:26:39.679 >> Exactly.
00:26:40.159 >> What's the capacity?
00:26:40.880 >> That's what's really good about our
00:26:42.080 room.
00:26:42.559 >> What is the
00:26:43.039 >> So, we do uh eight
00:26:45.760 >> So, we do 80.
00:26:46.960 >> Yeah.
00:26:47.360 >> Yeah. At Nighthawks now. Yeah.
00:26:49.360 >> Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. That is what's I
00:26:52.159 love that about uh Nighthawks cuz
00:26:55.200 hosting the open mic night there, you
00:26:56.720 know, you never know how many people are
00:26:58.320 going to come. We've had up to 30 people
00:27:00.559 and that feels like quite packed cuz
00:27:02.240 we're sitting down as well.
00:27:04.159 >> Um, but then you can have like 12 people
00:27:07.440 in there and it feels like enough,
00:27:09.679 >> you know, it still feels like a bit of a
00:27:11.279 vibe.
00:27:12.720 >> So, yeah, great place for foot in the
00:27:15.039 door.
00:27:15.840 >> Um,
00:27:17.360 what should a band have prepared then?
00:27:19.440 if you were talking about that little uh
00:27:21.440 document that you have which people can
00:27:23.200 obviously reach out to you and get
00:27:25.760 firsthand but just a couple of key
00:27:28.159 points that maybe people wouldn't know
00:27:29.919 which they have prepared.
00:27:33.360 >> So most venues especially for bands that
00:27:38.080 are sort of up and coming they're going
00:27:39.679 to ask for you to organize your own
00:27:41.679 show. So basically the venue is going to
00:27:44.720 give the room uh generally or we do
00:27:48.080 anyway will organize the sound tech
00:27:50.880 who's extremely versed in using all the
00:27:54.000 gear and all the room and mixing
00:27:55.440 different styles of bands and then we
00:27:58.000 provide a door person and then obviously
00:28:00.320 we operate as a bar downstairs as well.
00:28:03.360 Uh so we're going to provide the bar
00:28:05.360 staff you know that sort of thing. Uh
00:28:08.159 but different venues provide different
00:28:10.399 things. So, you do really need to find
00:28:13.600 out. Some venues don't provide any
00:28:16.000 backline. So, if you want to play there,
00:28:18.000 you're going to have to hire all your
00:28:20.159 own backline, including PA sometimes,
00:28:23.279 which is kind of insane. And I'm not
00:28:26.720 sure why certain venues operate that
00:28:28.559 way.
00:28:28.960 >> Yeah. But yeah, I think initially just
00:28:32.159 having an understanding of you're a
00:28:34.720 band, you're going to play a set that's
00:28:37.520 probably going to be between half an
00:28:39.520 hour to 45 minutes, but also that you
00:28:42.399 will need to organize support bands as
00:28:44.720 well. So, it's best to have some other
00:28:47.440 bands on board or bands that you've got
00:28:49.600 in mind that you're going to ask to play
00:28:51.600 with you because venues don't really
00:28:55.039 orize venues don't get involved in
00:28:57.760 curating shows for you. It's just too
00:29:00.480 time consuming and uh there's not a lot
00:29:05.039 of value to it from our perspective.
00:29:07.440 >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and what costs involved
00:29:11.200 would would an artist expect booking a
00:29:13.600 show?
00:29:15.600 >> Really depends on the venue. Um, most
00:29:19.200 venues take a ticket cut is the way that
00:29:21.840 they do it. So, um, yeah, most sort of
00:29:25.679 venues that are hovering around our sort
00:29:27.679 of capacity and, you know, similar style
00:29:30.480 generally take $3 per ticket. Um, we
00:29:34.159 have decided to do a different system
00:29:37.120 where we don't get involved in ticket
00:29:39.200 sales at all. Bands take 100% of ticket
00:29:41.840 sales, but we do have a minimum
00:29:44.159 attendance requirement. Um, and that's
00:29:47.039 different for Thursdays and Sundays and
00:29:50.399 Saturdays and sorry, Fridays and
00:29:52.640 Saturdays, uh, where there's an
00:29:54.720 expectation that more people would
00:29:56.159 attend a Friday and Saturday show
00:29:57.840 because it's the weekend so more people
00:29:59.760 are out. Uh, and if you don't meet that
00:30:02.480 attendance requirement, then we just ask
00:30:04.640 for there to be a contribution to the
00:30:06.320 sound fee, which is our main cost for
00:30:10.080 putting on shows. So, because we operate
00:30:12.960 as a bar, we just have, you know,
00:30:15.840 everything's operating as normal and
00:30:17.600 then we just have bands upstairs. So,
00:30:19.679 the only thing we're sort of asking to
00:30:21.200 cover is to have that extra person, uh,
00:30:24.240 the sound person because if there wasn't
00:30:26.640 a show on, they wouldn't be at the venue
00:30:28.399 on that day.
00:30:29.279 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Um, yeah.
00:30:34.480 So, I've I'm a new band. I email you.
00:30:38.080 You send me the list of all the
00:30:40.320 information, all the things I should
00:30:41.840 know before I book with you. What is the
00:30:44.960 next point of contact? The next email
00:30:48.240 that I send you, what's the dream email
00:30:50.640 for you to get next in terms of like
00:30:52.799 what should how should I be describing
00:30:54.559 myself from that point? What's like the
00:30:56.799 the whole mockup draft? Is there is
00:30:59.200 there something that you really want to
00:31:00.320 see in that next email?
00:31:03.120 >> The the only thing I want to see next is
00:31:05.200 I've organized two other bands to play
00:31:07.039 with me like
00:31:08.880 >> and then the show can move forward from
00:31:10.880 there. I Yeah, it starts to get
00:31:13.200 difficult. But when people lock in dates
00:31:16.159 and then they sort of get back to me and
00:31:17.840 they're like, I'm struggling to find
00:31:19.120 other bands to play with. Do you have
00:31:21.279 anyone you could recommend or can you
00:31:23.039 get in contact with people?
00:31:24.799 >> Then it sort of starts to get a bit
00:31:26.720 tricky. And I do continue to help as
00:31:29.039 much as I can, but yeah, also needs to
00:31:32.399 be taken into consideration that I'm I'm
00:31:34.640 doing this up to six times a week, you
00:31:37.360 know, for other bands. So
00:31:39.440 >> yeah,
00:31:39.840 >> you just want the least
00:31:41.120 >> dream email.
00:31:44.320 >> I would prefer that. Yeah, it makes
00:31:47.200 things smoother and yeah, means I can
00:31:50.640 focus on all the other things I need to
00:31:52.720 do. So, a band wants to have about a 30
00:31:55.760 to 40 45 minute set prepared.
00:31:58.480 >> Um,
00:31:59.840 >> that can be originals and cover songs.
00:32:02.640 Probably leaning into originals.
00:32:04.320 >> No.
00:32:05.840 >> Yeah. So, we actually have a policy of
00:32:07.919 no uh covers bands anyway. Throwing in a
00:32:12.559 cover is, you know, appropriate,
00:32:15.440 >> but our whole aim is to host original
00:32:18.640 live music. So yeah,
00:32:21.039 >> we have been contacted in the past.
00:32:23.120 >> Yeah,
00:32:23.679 >> exactly.
00:32:24.240 >> Yeah.
00:32:24.480 >> Yeah.
00:32:24.799 >> Yeah. So have that prepared. Have two
00:32:27.440 support acts or other acts that are
00:32:29.600 going to join you on the night. Set up a
00:32:32.559 ticket link and something that could be
00:32:34.640 through like Eventbrite or Oz tickets,
00:32:39.519 anything.
00:32:40.080 >> So we use human we use humanity tickets.
00:32:43.120 Uh we're not um we're not in any kind of
00:32:46.080 deal with them specifically. We just
00:32:48.159 like to use them because they're an
00:32:49.679 ethical ticketing company. All of the
00:32:52.399 ser like the extra little fees and
00:32:54.240 charges actually get gathered up and um
00:32:57.440 used for charity initiatives uh
00:33:00.000 throughout the world. Uh and also it's
00:33:02.880 just a really good user friendly
00:33:05.440 platform that we you know really enjoy
00:33:08.240 using. So that's our preference. Some
00:33:11.519 bigger bands um have deals with specific
00:33:15.840 ticketing companies. So, we're not going
00:33:18.960 to force them to use Humanitics in that
00:33:21.120 regard. But, yeah, when people don't
00:33:23.679 have a specific affiliation to a
00:33:25.279 ticketing company, then we're very pro
00:33:28.000 on Humanitics.
00:33:29.200 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, I'm just creating
00:33:32.480 a little checklist as we go. I've got my
00:33:34.640 set. I've got my supports. I've set up
00:33:37.760 my ticketing link with whatever um the
00:33:40.320 venue sort of requirements are or
00:33:41.840 suggestions are. Um, I've got to make
00:33:44.640 sure I have whatever backline isn't
00:33:46.960 provided, I've got to sort that out and
00:33:49.279 source that myself.
00:33:51.360 >> Um,
00:33:52.399 >> is there any
00:33:54.880 marketing policies?
00:33:58.480 >> So, just have a poster. Make sure that
00:34:01.519 you've got a poster organized and you've
00:34:04.240 got all the relevant info, band names,
00:34:06.720 date, time, where it's happening. uh and
00:34:10.480 then start promoting on generally
00:34:14.000 Instagram. Um some people decide to do
00:34:17.679 Facebook events still, but you know, we
00:34:20.639 don't use Facebook personally um as a
00:34:23.440 business anymore. Uh yeah, just get the
00:34:26.719 word out, start promoting.
00:34:28.399 >> Yeah. Cool. So, there's a little bit of
00:34:30.560 uh creative freedom in your promotional
00:34:32.960 techniques except for the poster.
00:34:36.320 >> For sure. Yeah. I mean, trying to
00:34:38.800 organize a show without a poster, I
00:34:40.480 think, would be quite difficult. If
00:34:41.918 people wanted to try and pull that off,
00:34:43.679 they could, but I don't know how you'd
00:34:45.359 sort of get the word out,
00:34:46.879 >> but that would generally be like that
00:34:48.639 would also include like printing off
00:34:50.000 some posters and bringing them to the
00:34:51.839 venue, right?
00:34:53.760 >> Mhm.
00:34:54.079 >> Yeah.
00:34:54.480 >> Yep. We ask people to do that. It's not
00:34:56.639 mandatory, but we suggest the people to
00:34:59.359 do that because it gets the word out
00:35:01.760 more. Obviously, everyone who's coming
00:35:04.000 to gigs, you know, we've got posters all
00:35:06.560 throughout the venue so people can check
00:35:08.800 out what's happening later in that
00:35:10.640 month.
00:35:11.200 >> Yeah. Um, so what am I missing? Is there
00:35:15.040 anything else they would want to have
00:35:16.720 prepared?
00:35:18.880 >> That's pretty much it. Yeah. Your
00:35:20.240 lineup, your ticket link, your poster,
00:35:22.880 and then just making sure you've got
00:35:25.119 gear that uh, you know, that we don't
00:35:28.079 provide. But we also suggest that bands
00:35:30.480 share gear, especially if they're coming
00:35:32.320 from interstate as well. So yeah, using
00:35:35.680 Yeah, sharing amps, that sort of thing.
00:35:38.000 >> And take as much off the venue's plate
00:35:39.920 as possible, essentially to be the
00:35:41.680 smoothest sailing best booking act.
00:35:46.079 >> Yeah, for sure. And also just listen to
00:35:48.400 the venue. We have lots of people that
00:35:50.400 want to do very specific things at
00:35:52.480 specific times. We have standard times,
00:35:55.680 you know, it's just the way we operate.
00:35:58.079 We don't see the need to start the show
00:36:00.320 at 6:30 p.m. compared to when we
00:36:02.880 normally started at 8:00 p.m. It's not
00:36:05.119 going to make much of a difference. Um,
00:36:08.480 set lengths as well. You know, I don't
00:36:10.480 think there's many people that want to
00:36:11.599 watch a band play for an hour and a half
00:36:13.760 these days. Most people's attention
00:36:15.599 spans are pretty limited. So,
00:36:17.760 >> our suggestion is 30 to 45 minutes. So
00:36:21.119 yeah, I think just listen to venues
00:36:23.280 because they're doing it and they've
00:36:25.520 been doing it for a long time and it's
00:36:28.000 successful. So
00:36:29.440 >> yeah.
00:36:30.000 >> Yeah.
00:36:30.960 >> Cool. Cool. Um there you go folks.
00:36:33.760 You've got the toolkit to get your first
00:36:36.160 gig booked. Um is there any other
00:36:39.119 insights you would have or last points
00:36:41.200 of advice for artists navigating live
00:36:43.680 music scene?
00:36:46.480 Um, I think being involved is really
00:36:49.760 important. So, you don't have to be
00:36:52.160 going to the same venue every week to be
00:36:54.400 checking out bands, but being hit up by
00:36:58.720 an artist or by a band that just has no
00:37:02.240 understanding of our venue is kind of
00:37:05.599 quite frustrating again because it adds
00:37:07.760 to all the admin. They're asking a lot
00:37:09.760 of questions uh that they don't
00:37:13.520 specifically need to know, but with just
00:37:16.000 a small amount of of diving onto our
00:37:19.359 Instagram, they would be able to work
00:37:21.599 that out themselves. Um, but also, I
00:37:25.119 guess some venues are just a bit wary of
00:37:28.560 artists or bands getting in contact with
00:37:30.480 them wanting to play and having no
00:37:32.480 understanding of the venue. uh because
00:37:34.880 it's a bit like well you know you could
00:37:38.400 be hiring any room anywhere so why do
00:37:40.880 you specifically want to play at this
00:37:42.960 venue so I think yeah just having some
00:37:46.480 knowledge some understanding again to
00:37:49.280 liken it to restaurants it's kind of
00:37:50.800 like contacting a restaurant making a
00:37:52.480 booking and then saying you know we want
00:37:55.599 Italian food when you're contacting a
00:37:57.760 Vietnamese restaurant to book a a
00:37:59.760 function or a table you know it's just
00:38:01.440 sort of like well we don't do that here
00:38:03.440 So, you know, a a small amount of um
00:38:07.280 >> yeah,
00:38:07.839 >> you know, pre uh work could have, you
00:38:11.200 know, uh
00:38:13.760 kind of taken away these f this five
00:38:16.400 emails to sort of get to this point. So,
00:38:19.119 >> yeah. No, that's a good point. And just
00:38:21.359 being present on the live music scene is
00:38:24.320 not just beneficial for understanding
00:38:26.079 what venues offer, but just for you as a
00:38:29.280 musician in general. There's a lot of
00:38:31.040 benefits just for meeting other people,
00:38:33.920 uh, getting inspiration from other acts,
00:38:37.119 keeping up with the cutting edge of new
00:38:39.280 music, having those different
00:38:41.359 experiences.
00:38:43.280 Um, cool. Thanks, Leah. And, um, thanks
00:38:48.160 for, uh,
00:38:50.560 still responding to those emails. like
00:38:52.400 as I I know it's such a daunting thing
00:38:54.160 as a new artist and you have no idea
00:38:56.720 what you're meant to do navigating that
00:38:58.720 space and just to get a warm email back
00:39:02.960 and like a very direct sort of list of
00:39:05.359 like this is what we offer, this is what
00:39:07.280 you need to do. Um, yeah, clears the air
00:39:10.880 and it's much better than just shouting
00:39:12.640 into the void cuz I know firsthand that
00:39:14.880 there's venues that do not respond to
00:39:17.040 those emails. And I'm not saying that's
00:39:20.400 like their fault. They're busy people.
00:39:22.160 They've got things going on. They have
00:39:24.000 they have to pick where they give their
00:39:26.160 attention. But yeah, it can be
00:39:28.320 demoralizing as an artist when you're
00:39:29.839 hitting up all these venues and you're
00:39:31.119 getting nothing. So, thanks for still
00:39:33.520 responding. It's a It's a big thing.
00:39:35.520 It's a big thing.
00:39:36.160 >> That's all right.
00:39:37.280 >> Yeah. I mean, I enjoy those emails. I
00:39:40.400 enjoy kind of giving a thorough and
00:39:43.040 really easy to understand explanation.
00:39:45.280 Um, I can also put myself in that
00:39:48.079 situation and it's really easy to think
00:39:50.640 back to, you know, when you didn't know
00:39:53.839 how to do something. And if someone
00:39:55.920 helped you out and wasn't condescending
00:39:59.200 or negative, um, it can change your
00:40:03.119 whole world. Like it can change your
00:40:05.680 whole, uh, perception of how things are
00:40:09.440 done, but it also you then you have that
00:40:11.760 knowledge then. and you can just move on
00:40:14.320 from that point on after you've done
00:40:16.000 your first show and continue your
00:40:19.280 journey as a band or artist. And that's
00:40:22.160 such an amazing thing for us to see.
00:40:24.079 We've seen so many bands play their
00:40:26.480 first show or some of their first shows
00:40:28.000 at Nighthawks and now they're playing at
00:40:30.240 Meredith, you know, and that's that's
00:40:33.119 such that's what we're there for, you
00:40:35.200 know. That's that's such a a major goal
00:40:38.400 that we've always set out to achieve.
00:40:40.400 And it's so great when you see that, you
00:40:43.119 know, actually eventuating.
00:40:45.520 >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's awesome.
00:40:48.079 Support breeds support, I think. You
00:40:50.000 know, I hope it all comes full circle
00:40:51.920 back.
00:40:53.520 >> Awesome. We're going to wrap it up
00:40:55.200 there, folks. Uh anywhere people can
00:40:58.079 keep in touch with the happenings at
00:41:00.319 Nighthawks then. Clearly not Facebook
00:41:02.400 anymore.
00:41:05.119 >> I mean, everything from Instagram goes
00:41:07.359 to Facebook by default. So, if
00:41:10.480 >> yeah, if if Facebook's your thing, then
00:41:12.880 you know, everything's still on there.
00:41:14.640 But, uh, yeah, our website is really
00:41:17.040 user friendly. All of our gigs are
00:41:18.720 listed there. There's the link to the
00:41:21.280 poster, tickets, to all the info about
00:41:24.079 the bands, and then just, yeah, keeping
00:41:27.040 on our Instagram. We do weekly [music]
00:41:29.440 stories and a weekly roundup of the gigs
00:41:32.480 that we have on.
00:41:33.839 >> And the best way to contact you to try
00:41:35.920 and book a gig? Uh, [music] so through
00:41:38.240 our Instagram, we have our bookings
00:41:40.640 email that's on there. So, nigh
00:41:42.480 whitebooking@gmail.com.
00:41:44.400 Pretty simple.
00:41:45.280 >> Great. Awesome. All right, that's it,
00:41:47.440 folks. We're going to let Dunisboy play
00:41:49.359 us out here. Thanks everyone for tuning
00:41:51.280 in again. We're in the new year. Yeah,
00:41:53.839 that's right. We're recording here
00:41:55.200 December 8th, but it's our new year when
00:41:58.319 this is released. So,
00:42:00.720 get those fresh gigs going. Hit up
00:42:02.960 Nighthawks, eh? We'll get a flood of
00:42:04.560 emails. Ha.
00:42:07.040 All right, cool. Thanks, Leah. Take
00:42:09.119 care, everyone. Tash out.
00:42:10.319 >> Thank you. Cheers.